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Bowers & Wilkins Pi8 Wireless Bluetooth Earbuds (Midnight Blue), in-Ear Bluetooth Earphones with Qualcomm & aptX Lossless, Active Noise Cancelling Earbuds, 3 Built-in Mics, 15-Min Quick Charging

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Color: Midnight Blue


Features

  • REFERENCE-QUALITY SOUND FROM CARBON DRIVERS Pi8 TrueWireless earbuds are built around 12mm carbon cone drive units adapted directly from the acclaimed Px8 headphones, delivering lifelike clarity, high-frequency detail, and the precision that defines Bowers & Wilkins audio. This is sound the way it was meant to be heard
  • TRUE 24-BIT LOSSLESS AUDIO, WIRELESS Pi8 delivers high-resolution audio via Qualcomm aptX Lossless and aptX Adaptive, dynamically adjusting for optimal performance and a reliable connection across any source or device
  • IMMERSIVE LISTENING, WHEREVER YOU ARE Bespoke adaptive noise cancellation (ANC) automatically adjusts to your environment so your music stays front and center, whether you're traveling or staying home. Three built-in mics also support clear calls when you need them
  • SEAMLESSLY CONNECTED ACROSS YOUR DEVICES Pi8 pairs to two devices simultaneously for effortless switching between your phone, laptop, TV, or gaming setup, so your music, movies, and audio follow you without interruption
  • STREAM FROM YOUR FAVORITE MUSIC SERVICES With the iOS and Android compatible Bowers & Wilkins Music app, stream directly from TIDAL, Qobuz, Deezer, Pandora, SoundCloud, and more. Search by song, artist, or album across all available platforms in one place
  • FAST CHARGING FOR YOUR LIFESTYLE Get 2 hours of playback from a 15-minute charge, with up to 8 hours of earbud life per charge. The smart charging case extends total listening time and retransmits audio from a laptop, in-flight entertainment, or TV wirelessly

Description

Bowers & Wilkins Pi8 True Wireless Earbuds Discover the pinnacle of wireless audio with the Bowers & Wilkins Pi8 Wireless Earbuds, featuring a true 24-bit connection and Qualcomm chipset with aptX Lossless technology. These versatile in-ear headphones deliver high-resolution audio that dynamically adjusts to optimize performance and connection reliability, providing an exceptional listening experience whether you’re enjoying music, movies, or gaming. Equipped with 12mm carbon cone drive units adapted from our Px8 headphones, the Pi8 earbuds reduce distortion and enhance high-frequency detail. The Pi8 earbuds offer bespoke active noise cancellation and TrueWireless Mirroring, with three microphones enhancing call clarity. The noise cancellation within these bluetooth headphones adjusts to your surroundings, ensuring uninterrupted sound. Designed with premium materials, the ergonomic design and intuitive single-button control ensure comfort and ease of use, supporting multiple functions. Stay connected all day with quick charge support, offering 2 hours of use from a 15-minute charge and up to 8 hours of earbud life. The smart charging case provides additional battery life and includes a retransmission feature to connect directly to your favorite audio source. Use the Bowers & Wilkins Music App, compatible with IOS and Android, to stream music from different services. Enjoy smooth transitions using your wireless earbuds for IPhones or wireless earbuds for Androids between your devices by pairing two devices simultaneously.

Brand: Bowers & Wilkins


Color: Midnight Blue


Ear Placement: In Ear


Form Factor: In Ear


Impedance: 32 Ohms


Brand Name: Bowers & Wilkins


Model Number: FP45829


Model Name: Pi8


Built-In Media: Cable, Eartip, Pi8 charging case and charging cable, ear tips (XS/S/M/L), literature pack


Age Range Description: All


Warranty Description: 2 Years


Customer Package Type: FFP


Number of Items: 1


UPC: 714346345762 714346349173


Manufacturer: Bowers & Wilkins


Is Autographed: No


Headphones Ear Placement: In Ear


Headphone Folding Features: In Ear


Earpiece Shape: Rounded tip


Color: Midnight Blue


Style Name: Contemporary or Modern


Carrying Case Color: Midnight Blue


Item Weight: 10.2 Ounces


Unit Count: 1.0 Count


Carrying Case Battery Average Life: 8 Hours


Impedance: 32 Ohms


Noise Control: Active Noise Cancellation


Audio Driver Type: Dynamic Driver


Audio Driver Size: 12 Millimeters


Frequency Range: 20Hz - 20,000Hz


Enclosure Material: Plastic


Specific Uses For Product: Music


Antenna Location: Calling, Cycling, Exercising, Running, Travelling


Compatible Devices: Various Bluetooth-enabled devices


Cable Features: Without Cable


Water Resistance Level: Water Resistant


Carrying Case Material: Plastic


Additional Features: Noise Cancellation


Headphone Jack: No Jack


Connectivity Technology: Wireless


Wireless Technology: Bluetooth


Bluetooth Version: 5.4


Control Type: Media Control


Control Method: App, Touch


Controller Type: Button Touch


Battery Charge Time: 2 Hours


Battery Average Life: 6.5 Hours


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Top Amazon Reviews


  • Fantastic Earbuds!
Color: Dove White
Very nice and high quality feeling earbuds! They feel very nice, they are light, they connect easily, and they sound really good. The in app EQ helps adjust it to your personal liking as well. Sound quality is definitely quite good, low end is good, high ends as well. Decent passive noise cancelation from the hollow ear tips it comes with. Active noise canceling on the other hand is laughable. It does actually rather well at removing LOW frequency noise however wind noise or anything in the mid to high range it does almost nothing to. If active noise cancelation is at the top of your list these are NOT the earbuds for you. Pass through works pretty well, and sounds decently good actually. These are definitely oriented towards audio quality and fit rather than having the best ANC. I still find I can go on bike ride with them and the wind not be too much of an issue. I usually keep ANC and Passthrough OFF however for that since the passive noise dampening works decently well. Get Memory foam tips for really good passive noise dampening if needed. Fit is good though, can be worn for hours without it hurting your ears. Just a FYI: IF you have a earbud stop working or the ANC or passthrough doesn’t work on one of the earbuds after taking it out of the case usually taking it out of your ear for 5 seconds then putting it back in fixes it. Only a minor quirk if you take the earbuds out of the case really quickly and don’t give them time to boot up. If issues persist put them back in the case for a minute then remove. This has fixed any nuance issues I’ve had with them. Last thing, one issue I have noticed is that while no music is playing or right after a track stops you may notice a higher pitched noise in one or both of the earbuds, it’s very faint but in quiet environments you can hear it. It’s NOT an issue when listening to audio however even at the lowest volume. It does appear to be another quirk of these buds. Though not everyone experiences this. I don’t find any of those things mentioned to be issues however as they do not interrupt functionality or cause further problems or disturbance. Merely quirks. Going on a few months with no issues. I will say as with any wireless earbud, don’t get them in water or drop them very often if you want it to last a while and have no issues. Every wireless earbud brand seems to have problems however it tends to be from neglect or mishandling. Take care of them and they should last quite a while. Overall 9/10, good Quality Earbuds! 7 month update: Still going great no issues. Battery still last a while no noticeable degradation. Everything else is still the same as I had mentioned in the original review such as the quirks. No real issues. Loving the Ability to use the case as a Bluetooth transmitter. When connected to my TV playing games the sounds are very very good and clear/ detailed. Quite happy with these Earbuds. I will update if any issues come up. ... show more
Reviewed in the United States on July 22, 2025 by Bryan

  • Edited: Connection problems, app problems (resolved)
Color: Dove White
I had only two times I had connection issues and wrote the previous version of this review shortly after. I don’t know what’s changed, but those issues are resolved. I had a very brief “drop and come back” issue once more during a very crowded event, but even my car drops connection in those conditions. The sound is amazing! Case retransmission was a feature I was quite anxious about trying, because I predicted issues. No issues! It just works! My phone did ask me whether what I’d connected were headphones, and I said yes, and then they just worked (iPhone 16 Pro Max)! If you want the best sound, I recommend turning all ANC and/or pass-through off, and use the stock tips if they fit. Aftermarket tips aren’t great for these yet. If you need aftermarket tips, know that the Comply TW-170-A don’t fit well. While you can press them on, they then don’t go deeply enough into your ear to provide a seal. I’ve never had a problem with Complys not sealing until these tips. JVC Spiral Dot++ create a sloppy mid bass bloom. AZLA Crystal TWS tips provide decent separation, but accentuate the treble and don’t carry the bass or sub bass. The AZLA SednaEarfit Max are pretty good, but you have to go up one in size, IMO. You get better sound with case retransmission on an iPhone! Why is it not a single one of these companies can make a Bluetooth product that doesn’t give me problems except Apple? The sound is amazing. Fighting for five to ten minutes every time I want to use them is unforgivable. If I struggle with them even one more time again, I’m sending them back. Bowers & Wilkins: it doesn’t matter how good they sound if the App is garbage and can’t find my earphones, or if the earphones don’t automatically connect every time I use them. $400 is $300 more than you should charge for a product that doesn’t work consistently. ... show more
Reviewed in the United States on September 19, 2024 by Misasterdouse

  • Cheap, minimalistic quality with a big name and price tag.
Color: Midnight Blue
What a disappointment after loving my B&W 685 S2 speakers for years (they're still GREAT!). I have tried: Technics EAH-AZ100 and EAH-AZ80 Jabra Elite 10 Bose QuietComfort Ultra SAMSUNG Galaxy Buds 2 Pro Denon PerL True TOZO Golden X1 And many other cheaper earbuds. Pro: 1) The sound quality is very good.... FOR EARBUDS. (which is necessary because there are NO features in the app that allow you to change the sound other than a basic EQ). But over-ear headphones are still much better. Cons!: 1) The app, which is necessary to begin using them, has fewer features than ANY earbuds I have tried at ANY price point that has an app. 2) PRIVACY: What does the app do???? NOTHING except collect information on you so they can sell you more stuff! To B&W: "NO B&W you don't get to surveil every action on my phone just so I can use your useless app which I MUST INSTALL to get them to work. Basic functions SHOULD work straight out of the box with NO APP for this price. I should NOT have to give you ANY personal information since I ALREADY paid you $500! $500 WASN'T ENOUGH???" This is straight out of the LG playbook. I VALUE MY PRIVACY and for the prices B&W and LG charge for their products I EXPECT PRIVACY. I DON'T WANT MY TOASTER CONNECTED TO MY EARBUDS SO THEY DO SOMETHING "FANCY" WHEN MY TOAST IS DONE!!! 3) ANC is GARBAGE!! There is litterally MORE white noise/hiss when it is ON than when it is off in a quiet room. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?? These can't even block out a very quiet air filter in a bedroom. They must be USELESS on an airplane!! THE WORST ANC OF ALL TIME! 4) You can't even adjust the ANC in the app like you can with most earbuds in this price range. I have $60 earbuds that allow you to adjust the ANC to tune out higher or lower frequencies. And the ANC is superior on ALL OF THEM compared to these. 5) Connecting these things is a NIGHTMARE! Once they are connected, they constantly have glitches. Read other people's worst reviews on the connectivity issues; whatever they say, they're ALL CORRECT! 6) Battery recharging is INSANELY SLOW! Mine came fully dead. It took 45 minutes of charging just to have enough charge (15%) to even begin to use them!! After 4 hours of charging they were only at 50%. 7) You can't customize what different taps and holds of the earbud "buttons" do!! The app has 2 different presets that change what press-and-hold does, but it is not customizable. 1 tap, 2 taps, or 3 taps cannot be changed on either earbud. 8) These earbuds came with no charge. That's ok. What ISN'T OK is they had to get all the way up to 15% charge just to get a beep or ANY SIGN OF LIFE to tell me that is why they weren't working!!! 2% SHOULD BE ENOUGH to give an indication they are working!! A beep, a flashing light, a voice prompt; SOMETHING SHOULD WORK WITH JUST 2%!! So, I guess the last 15% of a charge is actually 0% because they don't work below 15%, WHAT???? 9) There's nothing special about the build quality or anything else. 10) No indicator lights on the earbuds. 11) How can they possibly handle a high bandwidth "lossless" codec when they can't even handle a much lower bandwidth "lossy" format without glitches???? I don't buy it, litterally and figuratively because these are going back. 12) DON'T SUPPORT DOLBY ATMOS OR ANYTHING ELSE!! For $500 they should have every feature available on the market. 13) WHO CARES IF THEY HAVE GREAT SOUND IF THEY ONLY SOUND GOOD IN A DEAD QUIET ROOM?? THAT'S WHAT OVER-EAR HEADPHONES ARE FOR AND THEY WILL SOUND BETTER. 14) ONLY ONE LIGHT FOR EVERYTHING (on the case). There are NO OTHER LIGHTS on the earbuds or case to tell you things like "trying to connect" "connected" "charging" "charged" or simply, "WORKING!!!" Yes, the ONE LIGHT tries to do all those things, but fails miserably. Even the app doesn't tell you how much charge EACH earbud has. If one earbud isn't charging, there is no way to know!! NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR $500!! TAKEAWAY: NOBODY WOULD PAY MORE THAN $80 FOR THESE IF THEY WERE GENERIC "NO NAME" EARBUDS. YOU'RE JUST PAYING FOR A NAME. B&W SHOULD BE ASHAMED TO SELL THESE EARBUDS WITH THEIR NAME ON THEM. IT MAKES ME QUESTION IF THEIR NEWER SPEAKERS ARE STILL ANY GOOD. ... show more
Reviewed in the United States on November 5, 2025 by Nathan Flanery

  • Excellent sound, all else …
Color: Anthracite Black
So, somehow I found myself on this quest to find the perfect earbuds. After all the usual suspects like Apple AirPod Pro 2, Bose QC Ultra, Sennheiser Momentum TW 4, Denon Perl Pro and others; the Bowers & Wilkins Pi8 joined the crew. Reviews on audiophile websites are mostly very positive. Up to this point, however, the Sennheiser generally won any competition or came in a very close second. Time to dethrone? At 400 the Pi8 are certainly getting into a stratosphere where one simply has to expect the exceptional. Not everyone is an audiophile (or pretends to be). I am not sure where I fall on that spectrum, but the search simply seemed not over even after crowning the both the MTW4 and the Perl Pro as my favorites, while none could ever match the massive functionality in the AirPods Pro 2. I don’t need the Spatial Audio, even if it’s cool at times, and so it happens that none of my favorites have it. Figure that! Anyway, as I previously bought a pre-owned pair of Px8 (over the ear headphones), impressed by their stellar audio performance and delicate materials, a preowned offer of the Pi8 broke my resistance to adding another set of earbuds to my collection ($130 in “savings”). Pre-owned in both cases (thru Amazon) had the side effect that both pairs had to be hard reset as they were paired and not reset. For the Px8 that was easier to figure out than the tiny reset button in the charging case. (The manual does not mention that.) Make sure to press the button well past the orange light. Once reset (blue LED blinking) the app pairs fairly quickly. At this point, no software update is available. The Bowers & Wilkins app offers minimal options. there is an “advanced EQ” (5-band equalizer) and an equally minimal setting for the touch controls. I am no fan of double triple taps and combinations, so this is fine, even if the options are limited. You have no control of which AptX is being used and apparently it’s lossless by default. The storage case is easily the most advanced of any of mine, despite being one of the smaller ones. It does charge the earbuds and itself can be charged via USB-C port (cable) or wireless (Qi). That seems commonplace these days, even if the Bose QC Ultra somehow did not include this feature. (The Bose also have no case charge level reported to the App, while the B&W do.) The B&W, however, have another unique feature since it can be connected to a 3.5 mm audio jack (headphones) like in the airplane entertainment system. If it also had a speaker (like the AirPod case) to find it, it would be perfect. The design is beautiful, both for the case and the earbuds. The sound, however, is the big deal and I must admit that my expectations were high. First stop ANC. It’s good and some say it doesn’t match the Bose. It may be true but it sure isn’t far. I noticed a similar thing with the Sennheiser and the Denon. Just like them, the B&W heavily depend on the seal of the tips to my ear. Find the perfect fit, and the ANC is fairly effective. With (too) high expectations, the sound at first seemed to not deliver. Not sure if it was just the fit of the tips, but a bit later a second attempt (after fully charging) revised that first impression. Yes! These sound great and are surprisingly loud! Whereas I am setting for almost all others the volume to about 70%, the Pi8 are about the same volume at 50%. The differentiation of instruments is nothing short of amazing. Easily the best I encountered so far. It’s not, however, as if the MTW4 are far behind. It’s just that I am starting to understand what reviewers mean by sound signature. It happens to be different between the MTW4 and the Pi8, and that makes it a bit of personal preference. Specifically, the Pi8 seem more pronounced in the upper middle frequencies, which makes them crisp. They also have a good base, and what happens in between apparently is due to signature differences. (There are no tools in the B&W app to find a personal profile like in the MTW4 or the magic Perl Pro.) The excellent sound makes up for the missing features the AirPods Pro are so rich of: conversation awareness, Find my compatibility, head gestures, Spatial Audio, hearing aid … and so on. If you need those, the AirPods are still unmatched. If you insist on the best sound possible, the Pi8 are strong contenders. ... show more
Reviewed in the United States on October 27, 2024 by Thomas T.

  • As You'd Expect . . .
Color: Midnight Blue
I've found there's a pretty direct relationship between the price of wireless earbuds and their performance. This is a case in point. These are very expensive but the sound quality is stellar - exceptionally clear, full, rich sound. As it should be, considering their technical specs. The excellent fit and comfort surprised me, given that they look kind of big and awkward in photos. They are surprisingly light and fit well in my ears, with no movement. I don't share the negative opinions about the NC on these. I found it to be perfectly fine. Not Bose quality, but more than adequate. The one really cool feature that you won't see on cheaper earbuds is the streaming case - you can connect the case to any sound source via USB-C or aux and it will stream the sound to the earbuds in Apt-X lossless, which is essentially CD-quality sound. It's surprisingly useful. As for the app, it is perfect for me. Nowhere near as full-featured as Sony's app or Technics' app, but I think that most earbud apps are way too complicated and have a lot of functionality that I will never use. This app just has the basics, easily organized: EQ, noise cancelling, updates, and button programming. Whether these are worth the money is up to you - you have to really value sound quality above just about everything else. ... show more
Reviewed in the United States on October 21, 2025 by RJS

  • The good SOUND & COMFORT, The bad.... Well read on.
Color: Dove White
Let's get it out of the way. I'm a first adopter. I just gotta have the best sound possible and I'm well versed in portable audio technology. I purchased my first set used in "like new" condition. They arrived as described. Here are my observations. Pros: The 2 things that stand out about these are SOUND and COMFORT. The best I have heard and experienced. If those are important to you, these are a no brainer. They are outstanding. They are loud, with a clear, open soundstage and no distortion and they will stay in your ears even with the most demanding head movements. They just disappear with no discomfort. Battery life seems adequate. I have not tried transmission via the case. I will update when I do. Cons: 1) There is limited adjustability in the app It is either Volume up/down or ANC on/off or the voice assistant for the touch controls. Not both. So the only way to adjust ANC is via the app should you choose the touch volume option. 2) The touch controls can't be turned off. So if you have to adjust the buds you will pause the music. 3) The touch controls are finicky. If you want to skip back to previous track, good luck getting them to respond to 3 taps. 2 taps will pause the music more often than skip the track forward. If you want to adjust volume 3 or 4 times out of 10 they will pause music. 4) ANC is downright poor. My Samsung Buds 2 Pros for $100 eat these for breakfast in that regard. 5) On occasion they momentarily disconnect from the source. Maybe every 3rd or 4th track? I tried all the usual suspects to no avail. REAL FRUSTRATING! 6) Sometimes when earbuds are removed from the case, only one works and I have to put it back in the case and "reset" it and it will come on. Weird. 7) Uhhh, don't even think about making a phone call with these. For a $400 set of headphones these should be stellar in every category. They are not. But man, they SOUND AWESOME! So in conclusion, this is a 3.5 star experience. Sent them back due to the disconnect issue. Ordered a new set. Let's see if I can live with those cons. ... show more
Reviewed in the United States on January 13, 2025 by Edward S Infald

  • If you love music, you'll love these
Color: Jade Green
Bought these and the az100s to A/B. Mainly for use at home, and the occasional trip. When the az100s first arrived, I could barely tell them apart from my old Galaxy buds 2, even with LDAC enabled. To their credit, they were more comfortable/minimal and the software had all the features, despite how bad the UI was. People say you can EQ them, but that's a rabbit hole I'd rather avoid. But when I got the pi8's, I was blown away by the power and soundstage. Yes, they are much louder so I accounted for it by matching the volume to the az100s. The differences are minimal when listening to pop (by design?), but for classical and instrument heavy music the pi8's are a tier above. Everything is just much more present in the pi8, whereas the az100 and buds 2 sounded tinny and almost compressed. They're also super comfortable (despite the bulky look in the marketing) and I was able to rest the side of my head on a pillow with them on no issues. And the aptx worked straight out the box with my Galaxy fold 6 (verified in dev settings). Most importantly, they have GREEN! Sure, the pi8 seems to have worse battery, worse ANC, worse software. But at their discounted price, they are a great value if you want quality. I plan to use them for 95% listening to music at home, so the cons were not an issue for me. Plus these don't have the annoying knock-off sounding voice that the az100 has telling you your buds have connected, etc. ... show more
Reviewed in the United States on June 8, 2025 by Me

  • Too many cons vs pros. Too many cons vs pros.
Color: Midnight Blue
So disappointed in these headphones. I had the Sony Wf1000XM4s. Lost those, then got the XM5s. I'm not necessarily an audiophile. But I listen to headphones 10 hours every day at work, so I appreciate listening to something nice. To get a sense of how I like my music, I like things flat and neutral sounding, on the bright side. I like detailed analytical sounding stuff. As pictured I also own an older pair of JH Audio 13 pros, which years ago were 1200$. So I know what good sound sounds like. I'll start with the pros of the Pi8s, which isn't many. No wireless earbud Ive ever listened to compared to a quality wired IEM sound wise. And that's the case here. That said, the Pi8s definitely sound good. Compared to the XM5s, the sound is much "fuller" sounding. Every note hits harder with more slam. I feel it's on the warmer side compared to the sonys. Going back to the sonys, they sound hollow and thin by comparison. That said, I don't think they sound leaps and bounds better. Which is the whole reason you're buying these. I actually had to play with the equalizer and ton to dial them in. I wouldnt say they more detailed either. Disappointingly, in the B&W app is a setting I was excited for called natural sound. It overrides the EQ to present the flattest most natural sound possible. To me, it is a big fail. It makes the bass dominate the sound. The mids get extremely recessed and the treble is rolled off tremendously. Detail is completely lost. The volume of these buds is the loudest I've ever heard in wireless buds. My XM4s were always set to about 75%. The XM5s about 60%. The PI8s I only need about 40%. They're actually painfully above this. Fit is extremely personal, but I found the fit on these to be AMAZING, once you get rid of the garbage stock tips and grab complys, which we'll get to later. Lifting weights and running these don't budge. Super solid. Battery life is just okay. Definitely less than both the XM4s and 5s. What helps is the fast charging feature to keep them going. Now the cons and why I'm returning them. Connectivity issue galore. I'm using the Galaxy 24 Ultra. When I first got them, they kept cutting out again and again. Sometimes id pull them out of the case and they wouldnt connect with the phone. Sometimes they'd just cut out completely and wouldn't reconnect till I put them back in the case and out again. Updating the buds to the latest version as of this review date, 3.0, resolved the random connection drops. What is did not resolve, is the AWFUL connection range of the buds. Walking away more than 30 ft introduces intense static and dropped connections. Even the thinnest wall will completely block the connection. The Sonys have no exaggeration, quadruple the range of these. These alone for me is a huge fail. Second, the stock earbuds FOR ME, is absolutely terrible. They don't get a good seal no matter the size tried. And they don't block sound good. I had to upgrade to expensive complys. But, even with the complys the noise cancelation is not in the same class as the Sonys. No way, no how. If Sonys are a 10, these are 7.5. I work in a loud manufacturing environment, and need the best cancelation possible. The app is pretty barebones and does not have the features Sonys has. A small nitpick, but why did they put the USB c port on the bottom of the case? It's silly. Sonys is in the back so they case can stand upright as they charge. The noises they buds make as you hit play on them and turn noise cancelation on/off are absolutely terrible. The worst I've ever heard. Ultimately, the Sonys feel like a dramatically more refined mature product. And theyre half the price. They still sound really good, are very loud, much better noise cancelation, infinitely better range and next to no connectivity issues. ... show more
Reviewed in the United States on December 28, 2024 Reviewed in the United States on December 28, 2024 by Michael

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